Great set, Great price
C. Scott Harrison | 07/13/2010
(5 out of 5 stars)
"I guess you could say this was a best buy for someone who was looking for a complete Mahler box set. Yes, it even has the piano quartet and the Drei Pintos(Weber) overture. All of these recordings have been issued before, but this is a pretty commendable collection. At under $4 a disc it is quite a good value. Some of the performances could be said to be "best choices"; Bernstein's Vienna 5th, Solti's 8th, Karajan's 9th. Others you might choose to quibble with. A great value and worth it even for a die-hard Mahlerite like myself. Five stars. Comes with a booklet with listings and a short essay titled "A Prophet of Pluralism"(whatever that means!). I would have preferred original album notes (and at least one Fischer-Dieskau recording in the lot), but for this price you can't have everything, can you?
Try some of the other DG value sets; Bach Sacred Works, Organ works, Beethoven, Schumann etc:. Thanks DG!!
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A Good (and Complete) "Consensus" Box
John Van Note | 08/01/2010
(5 out of 5 stars)
"A Good "Consensus" Box
From the liner notes: (Comments in parentheses-mine)
"The Decca / Deutsche Grammophon catalogue of Mahler recordings is unsurpassed. A major contribution to the anniversary celebration in 2010 is this first-ever Complete Mahler Edition, a combined effort of Decca and Deutsche Grammophon in an 18-CD super-budget box (as low as forty dollars on some Amazon Marketplace sites)-- with the ten symphonies, Das Lied von der Erde, (a complete) Das klagende Lied, the song cycles, the Knaben Wunderhorn songs and early works in benchmark recordings by a great assembly of Mahler conductors, singers, and orchestras...." split up as thirteen CDs of symphonies, five CDs of vocal music.
"Each symphony gets a different conductor, (listed here in alphabetical order) and the list is awesome: (according to Universal) Abbado (No. 6), Bernstein (No. 5), Boulez (No. 4), Chailly (No. 10), Giulini (Das Lied), Haitink (No. 3), Karajan (No. 9), Kubelik (No. 1), Mehta (No. 2), Sinopoli (No. 7), and Solti (No. 8). The orchestras are the finest in the world: Berliner Philharmoniker, Chicago Symphony Orchestra, The Cleveland Orchestra, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Philharmonia Orchestra, and Wiener Philharmoniker."
One can never find agreement as to what is the "best" Mahler here, even among seasoned Mahler collectors who have admired the composer for decades. If you are coming to Mahler for the very first time, this is a splendid acquisition for you. "The list is awesome," but it is impossible to include historic recordings from the likes of a Walter and a Klemperer from other recording labels, and that is a big drawback. Universal might have considered a joint label venture here. This set would be best supplemented with the EMI set. For the symphonies, DG chose a lot of material which is already "out there" in very widely circulated complete sets which have long since been gobbled up by Mahler addicts long ago. They could not please all of the people with their selections, but I think that they have pleased most with their choices. So this is a consensus set, maybe a "politically correct" one in its way, reached by the general consensus of CD album sales or for those most likely to sell. A down side is that there is next to nothing historic in it. Most performances are good digital performances from orchestras with which I think Mahler himself would be pleased. The discarded "Blumine" movement is coupled with Kubelik's FIRST as an appendixes Track 5. Also included was the pleasant surprise of the rejected "Totenfeier" movement for Mahler's "Resurrection." About half of the movement was obviously reworked into the version which Mahler fanatics like me know today. Abbado in his SIXTH places the Scherzo (which is usually placed as the second movement of the SIXTH in the Erwin Ratz Revised Edition) as the third movement, after the Adagio (which is usually placed as the second movement). This was the original performing edition used by Mahler often in his lifetime. Quite often out of curiosity, just to hear the effect of it, I have programmed my compact disk player to play the symphony in this way on many occasions.
"Singers featured include Thomas Hampson (song-cycles, with Bernstein), Anne Sofie von Otter and Thomas Quasthoff (their Grammy-winning Knaben Wunderhorn lieder, with Abbado), Ileana Cotrubas and Christa Ludwig in the "Resurrection" Symphony, Maureen Forrester in the Third, Juliane Banse in the Fourth, Francisco Araiza and Brigitte Fassbaender in Das Lied von der Erde, and a starry array in No. 8. " Vocalists are not a problem, if there is any, with the set, only the performance choices as a whole, for some Mahler addicts.
"In addition, rarities like Das klagende Lied, rejected movements from the First and Second Symphonies, Mahler's early songs, and chamber music are included in the edition."
For me, the FIRST (a good but not the greatest Kubelik-would have preferred Solti here), FOURTH (an adequate Boulez-would have preferred Mehta`s Israel PO here), FIFTH an always angst ridden Bernstein), EIGHTH (the overrated and overly remastered Solti, again-I would have reluctantly preferred Abbado or Boulez, better yet, a reworked Lenny CBS here), and a complete DAS KLAGENDE LIED (a good Chailly) are duplicated with the set, but two thirds of the box are new performance acquisitions, so for me, I could not acquire the rest of the recordings for the price, so it was all a borderline steal. The Mehta analogue SECOND was at or near the top of its form, but I do prefer Walter and Klemper here, together with Lenny's earlier Sony effort with the NYPO. The Haitink THIRD was perhaps the best of his oeurve with Philips.
The prize of prizes in the box here for me is the von Karajan NINTH, perhaps equaled but not surpassed by the Bernstein BPO recording. And couple it with the missing incidental pieces like the Piano Quartet and Die drei Pintos fragment, (not easily to be had separately) and it is an additional incentive to buy for the missing material which I suspect many other people do not have.
And if the celebration isn't enough, there is a DG "People's Mahler Edition" (for some strange reason in a red colored box)coming soon to a music retail outlet near you. In this one, the final choices are still an open question, and you can go online and vote for your own personal favorite GM symphonies from 1-10! I think that the song cycles will remain the same.
Timings for the DG COMPLETE MAHLER EDITION are as follows:
CD 1: Mahler: Symphony No.1; "Blumine"
Symphony No.1 in D
1. 1. Langsam. Schleppend 14:31
2. 2. Kräftig bewegt 7:04
3. 3. Feierlich und gemessen, ohne zu schleppen 10:37
4. 4. Stürmisch bewegt 17:39
Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, Rafael Kubelik
5. "Blumine". Andante allegretto 6:01
Boston Symphony Orchestra, Seiji Ozawa
Total Playing Time 55:52
CD 2: Mahler: Symphony No.2
Symphony No.2 in C minor - "Resurrection"
1. 1. Allegro maestoso. Mit durchaus ernstem und feierlichem Ausdruck 21:03
2. 2. Andante moderato. Sehr gemächlich 10:12
3. 3. Scherzo: In ruhig fliessender Bewegung 10:28
4. 4. "O Röschen rot! Der Mensch liegt in grösster Not!" (Sehr feierlich aber schlicht) Text from Des Knaben Wunderhorn: "Urlicht" 5:30
Christa Ludwig, Wiener Philharmoniker, Zubin Mehta
5. 5a. Im Tempo des Scherzos. Wild herausfahrend - 9:45
6. 5b. Maestoso. Sehr zurückhaltend - Wieder zurückhaltend - 7:33
7. 5c. Sehr langsam und gedehnt - 2:21
Wiener Philharmoniker, Zubin Mehta
8. 5d. "Aufersteh'n, ja aufersteh'n wirst du" (Langsam. Misterioso) - Text after F.G. Klopstock: "Auferstehung"6:39
Ileana Cotrubas, Wiener Staatsopernchor, Wiener Philharmoniker, Zubin Mehta
9. 5e. "O glaube, mein Herz, o glaube" (Etwas bewegter) Text after F.G. Klopstock: "Auferstehung" 7:39
Ileana Cotrubas, Christa Ludwig, Wiener Staatsopernchor, Wiener Philharmoniker, Zubin Mehta
Total Playing Time 1:21:10
CD 3: Mahler: Symphony No.3, Part 1
Symphony No.3 in D minor
Part 1
1. 1. Kräftig. Entscheiden 32:17
Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Bernard Haitink
Total Playing Time 32:17
CD 4: Mahler: Symphony No.3, Part 2
Symphony No.3 in D minor
Part 2
1. 2. Tempo di minuetto. Sehr mäßig 10:22
2. 3. Comodo. Scherzando. Ohne Hast 16:53
3. 4. Sehr langsam. Misterioso: "O Mensch! Gib acht!" 'O Mensch! Gib acht' 8:45
Maureen Forrester, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Bernard Haitink
4. 5. Lustig im Tempo und keck im Ausdruck: "Bimm Bamm. Es sungen drei Engel" 4:03
Maureen Forrester, Boy's Choir Of The St. Willisbrorduskerk In Rotterdam, Women's Chorus Of The Netherlands Radio, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Bernard Haitink
5. 6. Langsam. Ruhevoll. Empfunden 22:04
Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Bernard Haitink
Total Playing Time 1:02:07
CD 5: Mahler: Symphonies Nos.4 & 2 "Resurrection", 1. Mvt. Totenfeier
Symphony No.4 in G
1. 1. Bedächtig. Nicht eilen - Recht gemächlich 15:17
2. 2. In gemächlicher Bewegung. Ohne Hast 9:29
3. 3. Ruhevoll (Poco adagio) 20:02
4. 4. Sehr behaglich: "Wir genießen die himmlischen Freuden" 8:42
Juliane Banse, The Cleveland Orchestra, Pierre Boulez
Symphony No.2 in C minor - "Resurrection"
5. Totenfeier (REJECTED MOVEMENT) 25:09
Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Pierre Boulez
Total Playing Time 1:18:39
CD 6: Mahler: Symphony No.5
Symphony No.5 in C sharp minor
1. 1. Trauermarsch (In gemessenem Schritt. Streng. Wie ein Kondukt - Plötzlich schneller. Leidenschaftlich. Wild - Tempo I) 14:32
2. 2. Stürmisch bewegt. Mit größter Vehemenz - Bedeutend langsamer - Tempo I subito
14:59
3. 3. Scherzo (Kräftig, nicht zu schnell) 19:01
4. 4. Adagietto (Sehr langsam) 11:13
5. 5. Rondo-Finale (Allegro) 15:00
Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Total Playing Time 1:14:45
CD 7: Mahler: Symphony No.6
Symphony No.6 in A minor
1. 1. Allegro energico, ma non troppo. Heftig aber Markig 22:48
2. 2. (3.) Andante moderato 13:57
3. 3. (2.) Scherzo (Wuchtig) 12:43
4. 4. Finale (Allegro moderato) 29:44
Berliner Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado
Total Playing Time 1:19:36
CD 8: Mahler: Symphony No.7, Movements 1 - 3
Symphony No.7 in E minor
1. 1. Langsam - Allegro 24:36
2. 2. Nachtmusik (Allegro moderato) 17:04
3. 3. Scherzo 9:54
Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli
Total Playing Time 51:34
CD 9: Mahler: Symphony No.7, Movements 4 + 5
Symphony No.7 in E minor
1. 4. Nachtmusik (Andante amoroso) 17:35
2. 5. Rondo - Finale (Allegro ordinario - Allegro moderato ma energico) 18:19
Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli
Total Playing Time 35:54
CD 10: Mahler: Symphony No.8
Symphony No.8 in E flat - "Symphony of a Thousand"
Heather Harper, Lucia Popp, Yvonne Minton, Helen Watts, René Kollo, John Shirley-Quirk, Martti Talvela, Wiener Sängerknaben, Wiener Singverein, Wiener Staatsopernchor, Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Georg Solti
Total Playing Time 1:19:39
CD 11: Mahler: Symphony No.9, 1st and 2nd Movement
Berliner Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan
Total Playing Time 45:00
CD 12: Mahler: Symphony No.9, 3rd and 4th Movement
Berliner Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan
Total Playing Time 39:42
CD 13: Mahler: Symphony No.10
Symphony No.10 in F sharp (unfinished) Ed. Deryck Cooke
1. 1. Adagio 25:53
2. 2. Scherzo 11:53
3. 3. Purgatorio 4:22
4. 4. Scherzo 11:29
5. 5. Finale 25:08
Radio-Symphonie-Orchester Berlin, Riccardo Chailly
Total Playing Time 1:18:45
CD 14: Mahler: Das Lied von der Erde
Das Lied von der Erde
1. Das Trinklied vom Jammer der Erde 8:34
2. Der Einsame im Herbst 9:42
3. Von der Jugend 3:17
4. Von der Schönheit 7:33
5. Der Trunkene im Frühling 4:17
6. Der Abschied 30:23
Brigitte Fassbaender, Berliner Philharmoniker, Carlo Maria Giulini
Total Playing Time 1:03:46
CD 15: Mahler: Des Knaben Wunderhorn
Thomas Quasthoff, Anne Sofie von Otter, Berliner Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado
Total Playing Time 57:04
CD 16: Mahler: Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen; Kindertotenlieder; Rückert-Lieder
Thomas Hampson, Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
Total Playing Time 1:07:58
CD 17: Mahler: Das klagende Lied
Das Klagende Lied
1. Part 1: Waldmärchen 28:09
2. Part 2: Der Spielmann 17:39
3. Part 3: Hochzeitsstück 18:33
Susan Dunn, Brigitte Fassbaender, Werner Hollweg, Markus Baur, Stadtischer Musikverein, Dusseldorf, Radio-Symphonie-Orchester Berlin, Riccardo Chailly
Total Playing Time 1:04:21
CD 18: Mahler: Lieder und Gesänge aus der Jugendzeit
Songs from "Des Knaben Wunderhorn"
Orchestration: Harold Byrns
1. Frühlingsmorgen 2:34
Bernd Weikl, Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli
2. Erinnerung 3:06
Anne Sofie von Otter, Ralf Gothoni
Lieder und Gesänge aus der Jugendzeit
(Arrangements for Orchestra by Luciano Berio)
3. Hans und Grethe 2:42
Thomas Hampson, Philharmonia Orchestra, Luciano Berio
4. Serenade (from: "Don Juan") 1:29
5. Phantasie (aus "Don Juan" von Tirso de Molina) 2:23
Anne Sofie von Otter, Ralf Gothoni
Songs from "Des Knaben Wunderhorn"
Orchestration: Harold Byrns
6. Um schlimme Kinder artig zu machen 1:40
Bernd Weikl, Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli
7. Ich ging mit Lust durch einen grünen Wald 3:53
8. Aus! Aus! "Heute marschieren wir!" 2:08
Anne Sofie von Otter, Ralf Gothoni
Lieder und Gesänge aus der Jugendzeit
9. Starke Einbildungskraft (Des Knaben Wunderhorn) 1:12
Thomas Hampson, David Lutz
Songs from "Des Knaben Wunderhorn"
Orchestration: Harold Byrns
10. Zu Straßburg auf der Schanz 4:00
11. Ablösung im Sommer 1:32
Bernd Weikl, Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli
Lieder und Gesänge aus der Jugendzeit
(Arrangements for Orchestra by Luciano Berio)
12. Scheiden und Meiden 2:12
Thomas Hampson, Philharmonia Orchestra, Luciano Berio
Songs from "Des Knaben Wunderhorn"
Orchestration: Harold Byrns
13. Nicht wiedersehen 5:42
14. Selbstgefühl 1:56
Bernd Weikl, Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli
Frühe Lieder
15. Im Lenz 2:59
16. Winterlied 4:04
17. Maitanz im Grünen 2:24
Thomas Hampson, David Lutz
Piano Quartet in A minor (1876) Quartet for piano, violin, viola and cello
18. 1. Nicht zu schnell 11:05
Gidon Kremer, Veronika Hagen, Clemens Hagen, Oleg Maisenberg
Carl Maria von Weber (1786 - 1826)
Die drei Pintos (completed by Gustav Mahler)
19. Entr'acte 6:18
Russian National Orchestra, Mikhail Pletnev
Total Playing Time 1:03:19
Mahler: The Complete Works - 150th Anniversary Box"
Excellent for what it is
Ray Barnes | Surrey, British Columbia Canada | 08/10/2010
(5 out of 5 stars)
"If this set were not available at super budget price I would not be giving it 5 stars. The documentation consists of little more than a short essay "A Prophet of Pluralism", which I did not find very informative; lists and tracking of the CDs, and some photos. There are no libretti or commentaries on the individual works, but, for the price that is hardly surprising. The outside of the box does not indicate which of the two Karajan recordings of the 9th Symphony is included; it is the second, from live performances.
It is quite a novel idea to have 11 different conductors for the symphonies and Das Lied von der Erde. Listening to these performances, all of which are good or better in my view, leads me to question the notion of a definitive Mahler interpretation or performance. Granted, the choices for each performance will not please everyone. I personally feel it's not unreasonable to go with Karajan's live 9th or particularly Solti's 8th, if these conductors are to be represented by just one performance each.
The sound quality of the CDs I have heard from this set, thus far, is about the same as in prior releases. The Solti 8th from 1971 continues to sound larger than life. I found this overwhelming when first heard on cassette a long time ago, and now wonder if it is somewhat overdriven, inflated. The Kubelik 1st with the BRSO is clear and surprisingly rich in spite of its age, and lively. I wish there had been another version of the Blumine alternate second movement with the same ensemble, or at least by another conductor whose work is included in the anthology. Somehow, having just 6 minutes of Ozawa with the BSO on a 18 CD set seems wrong. The Mehta 2nd remains very enjoyable, especially the rich percussion detail. The timpani playing at the beginning of the scherzo is arresting. It is good to have this symphony complete on one CD at just over 81 minutes playing time with absolutely no constriction of the recording. To be candid I am not a big fan of this conductor but consider this performance in Vienna to be one of his finest recordings, alongside the superb Turandot. The Haitink 3rd is beautifully paced, played and sung, but the recording is just a bit thin compared to more recent rivals (such as Tennstedt on EMI). The sound quality of the Bernstein 5th also with the VPO by comparison, from around the same time, is not as rich and detailed, but still very satisfactory. I found this disc sounded much better in my SUV stereo than at home for some reason. The tempi are slow to moderate throughout the work, and the string playing is (not unexpectedly) very distinguished. The Boulez 4th in Cleveland has not been favourably reviewed, but it is not a bad performance. Personally I don't seem to "get" the first two movements regardless of the performers, but find the 3rd and 4th movements generally radiant and charming. This is no exception. The Totenfeier filler with Boulez conducting the Chicago Symphony is very successful, although it is a strange coupling to the 4th, given that it is an earlier version of the first movement of the 2nd. The Abbado 6th done live with the BPO has wonderful, powerful sonority, without feeling pushed too hard. There is a fine line between intensity and brutality, and it was not crossed. The andante moderato is placed second after the opening allegro energico, and speaking only for myself, I would have preferred the scherzo played second instead, since its opening, to my taste, seems to flow better after the end of the opening allegro. This should not deter anyone either way. The finale is dramatic, the first hammer blow literally gave me goosebumps. Like the 2nd, it is complete on a single CD without loss of sound quality. This performance gets 5 stars in spite of the movement ordering, a riveting experience from start to finish. No wonder the applause was so boisterous.
Overall, this remains a very good investment, although one should not feel compelled to live with these performances alone."