Lohengrin: Act II: Wie kann ich solche Huld dir lohnen (Ortrud)
Track Listings (7) - Disc #3
Lohengrin: In Fruhn versammelt uns der Ruf
Lohengrin: Des Konigs Wort und Will' tu' ich euch kund
Lohengrin: Gesegnet soll sie schreiten
Lohengrin: Zuruck Elsa! Nicht langer will ich dulden
Lohengrin: O Konig! Trugbetorte Fursten! Haltet ein!
Lohengrin: Welch ein Geheimnis muss der Held bewahren?
Lohengrin: Mein Held entegne kuhn dem Ungetreuen
Track Listings (12) - Disc #4
Lohengrin: Orchestervorspiel
Lohengrin: Act III. - Scene I - Treulich gefuhrt ziehet dahin
Lohengrin: Act III. - Scene I - Das susse Lied verhallt
Lohengrin: Act III. - Scene I - Fuhl' ich zu dir so suss mein Herz entbrennen
Lohengrin: Act III. - Scene I - Atmest du nicht mit mir die sussen Dufte?
Lohengrin: Act III. - Scene I - Hochstes Vertraun hast du mir schon zu danken
Lohengrin: Act III. - Scene I - Weh, nun ist all unser Gluck dahin!
Lohengrin: Act III. - Scene 2 - Heil Konig Heinrich!
Lohengrin: Act III. - Scene 2 - Macht Platz dem Helden von Brabant!
Lohengrin: Act III. - Scene 2 - In fernem Land
Lohengrin: Act III. - Scene 2 - Mir schwankt der Boden! Welche Nacht!
Lohengrin: Act III. - Scene 2 - Mein lieber Schwan!
Sir George Solti's renditions of Wagner's operas often defined the standard interpretation practice in the post-World War II musical world, and he is at his best in this late 1980s digitally mastered recording partnered wi... more »th his long-time collaborators, the Vienna Philharmonic--perhaps the most emotionally satisfying orchestra in the world for these challenging scores. Domingo, in the title role, shows himself as a true Heldentenor (i.e. a baritone with high notes), and his earlier weakness in German diction is not apparent. Norman's Elsa is musically perfect though at times a bit chilly and distant. The mature compassion of the role of Henry the Fowler is admirably captured by Sotin. The chorus work is first rate, and the excellent cast is rounded out by Randova and the vigorous Nimsgern as the husband/wife villains. --Christian C. Rix« less
Sir George Solti's renditions of Wagner's operas often defined the standard interpretation practice in the post-World War II musical world, and he is at his best in this late 1980s digitally mastered recording partnered with his long-time collaborators, the Vienna Philharmonic--perhaps the most emotionally satisfying orchestra in the world for these challenging scores. Domingo, in the title role, shows himself as a true Heldentenor (i.e. a baritone with high notes), and his earlier weakness in German diction is not apparent. Norman's Elsa is musically perfect though at times a bit chilly and distant. The mature compassion of the role of Henry the Fowler is admirably captured by Sotin. The chorus work is first rate, and the excellent cast is rounded out by Randova and the vigorous Nimsgern as the husband/wife villains. --Christian C. Rix
A gripping, haunting "Lohengrin," best I've ever heard
madamemusico | Cincinnati, Ohio USA | 12/30/2000
(5 out of 5 stars)
"As someone who owned the Kempe "Lohengrin" for many years, then sold it to a used-record shop as hopelessly boring, let me add my voice to the chorus of praise for this particular recording. Granted, Ludwig and Fischer-Dieskau sang beautifully on the Kempe version, but except for "Entweite Gotter!" Ludwig did NOT have the same evil, crafty sound that Randova projects here, and Nimsgern has a richer, darker, more appropriate "Black Forest"-sounding voice for Telramund. More to the point, Domingo is far better than Jess Thomas--even in the opera house, his voice had that incipient wobble you hear on the recording--and Jessye Norman is vastly better than Grummer at this stage in her career (she was getting on in years and in vocal decline).I smiled a little to myself when reading others' comments about how Norman sounds "inappropriate" for the role because of her richer "mezzo quality." It's funny how listening to "canned opera" can condition your perceptions. In the LP/CD era, all Elsas are high sopranos, but back in the 1930s and '40s Elsa was sung by sopranos like Kirsten Flagstad and Helen Traubel, singers with big, rich, mezzo-like timbres. And, frankly, it was a real pleasure for me to hear her sounding somewhat dramatically involved in the music. In person this is never a problem, but on records La Norman often tends towards blandness and boredom. Here, she is anything but boring.The glue that holds this recording together, however, is Solti. Never have I heard the music of "Lohengrin" sound more unified, more dramatic, more shapely. Even at leisurely tempos, Solti keeps things moving forward, ever-so-slightly, the way Toscanini used to do with "Tristan" (listen to his classic 1952 reading of the Prelude and Liebestod, and you'll see what I mean). Towards the end of Act 1, I suddenly realized that what I was listening to was a towering, monumental reading of the score, one that slowly, inexorably, yet pleasurably draws the listener inward."
You can't go wrong with this (or the Kempe)
Laon | moon-lit Surry Hills | 11/14/2000
(5 out of 5 stars)
"This is one of the two best nearly-complete _Lohengrin_ recordings. The other is the famous second Kempe set, with Jess Thomas as Lohengrin -- as opposed to Kempe's older mono set with George Vincent in the title role. Of the Solti and the second Kempe, I don't think it matters much which recording you get. (I hear the Abbado set is excellent as well, but I haven't heard it.) The Kempe set has been rightly regarded as a classic recording since its release. It's an ideal ensemble cast, with justly admired conducting, and a good clear, full stereo recording. The Solti set offers a cast that is every bit as good, though in a slightly more complex way. That is, Domingo is a noticeably better Lohengrin than Thomas, though both are in the front rank. (Sandor Kolya from Leinsdorf's complete set is the finest Lohengrin on record, but he graces a set whose merits are even more complicated. There are two full and complete _Lohengrin_ sets, in which the cut in the second part of Lohengrin's "In fernen Land" Narration is - rightly - restored: a recent set by Barenboim and an older set by Leinsdorf. Neither are as good, overall, as Kempe or Solti. Of the two - see my review of the Leinsdorf set, if you're interested - I'd give the edge, though narrowly, to the Leinsdorf.) Some reviewers have claimed Domingo's Lohengrin has a faint Spanish accent, but I must confess I can't hear it. If I did notice it I would have no more problem with it than with Simon Estes' slight but noticeable American accent as the Dutchman in the generally superb Nelsson _Fliegende Holländer_ set. Wagner is an international phenomenon, and so is opera. What would be a genuine problem would be if Domingo's German seemed shallow; that is, if he were simply singing the notes beautifully, without directly feeling and expressing the meaning of the words. And while that criticism has been made, I think it untrue and unfair of this performance, which is both beautifully sung and convincingly acted. The criticism seems more reasonable of Domingo's Tannhäuser for Sinopoli, and to a lesser extent of his Walther in the Jochum _Meistersinger_. I suspect that people may have transferred their dislike and criticism of those performances over to this one. As an aside, it would actually be quite appropriate if Lohengrin did have a noticeable Spanish accent. After all, he hails from Montsalvat, which, as we learn in _Parsifal_, is somewhere near the Moorish border in 8th Century Spain. So Domingo takes the honours over Kempe's Jess Thomas in the title role. Thomas is a pleasant and intelligent singer, whose voice is simply not as powerful or as beautiful as Domingo's. On the distaff side, as Elsa Jessye Norman offers a fuller, creamier soprano than Kempe's Elizabeth Grümmer, but Norman's voice is too big, too confident and paradoxically too beautiful really to be in character as Wagner's naïve visionary: Wagner's Joan of Arc without the military ambition. Kempe's Grümmer is the better Elsa, though I'd say that Eleanor Steber in the mono Keilberth set, with Windgassen good but not among the very best in the title role, is perhaps the best Elsa in a "complete" _Lohengrin_ set. As von Telramund and Ortrud, Solti's Nimsgern and Randova are often said to be outclassed by Kempe's Fischer-Dieskau and Christa Ludwig, and this is true. For Kempe, Fidi and Ludwig are in their prime and abolutely unbeatable. On the other hand, I find the bad guys' big Act II scene is more sinister in the Solti than in the Kempe; Solti loses on beauty, especially with Randova compared to Ludwig, but wins out on drama. The twisted sophistication of the orchestral part at the beginning of Act II, through to Elsa's appearance, seems more modern and dissonant in Solti; and that is an advantage. In fact I would give Solti's Vienna Phil the advantage, though only very marginally, over Kempe's Vienna Phil. Solti's other advantage is an unfair one, but a powerful one in Wagner; his is a clearer and more immediate recording. My main complaint applies equally to both sets. Once you've heard the music cut from the Narration, you will tend to resent that cut. It is beautiful music, and dramatically it allows Lohengrin's hearers (and the operatic audience) more time to be transported to Montsalvat, and to come back to earth with an even bigger bump to face the unpleasant realities of the dramatic situation. Solti especially was a great restorer of cuts, producing the first truly complete recording of Strauss's _Der Rosenkavalier_, for example. So why didn't he restore this one? It was aesthetically the right thing to do, and I'm surprised Solti of all people passed up the marketing opportunity. But either set is superb. Whichever you buy, you can't go wrong. Cheers!Laon"
The Overall Best
Wilbourg | Anywhere | 02/15/2002
(5 out of 5 stars)
"Let's face it pefection is lost to us in this glorious opera. Here then is an analysis by relative strengths. The best overall Lohengrin tenor is the incomparable Sandor Konya, but the overall recording of the opera is fairly pedestrian. The best conducting and marshalling of forces is Karajan's but his tenor, Rene Kollo, strains so much he makes you uncomfortable. The best recording sans the tenor and soprano parts is Kempe's (And who can deny Frick's glorious King with that world-beating resonant bass booming out!) but Jess Thomas, Kempe's Lohengrin, while strong, cannot hope to compete with Domingo, Konya, or Sieffert. The best nuanced recording is the Barenboim/Sieffert but its dramatic impact is muted when compared to the others.What we are left with is which Lohengrin recording, if you only had enough cash for one recording, and one only, most readily conveys the power, the depth and, most importantly, the beauty of this, Wagner's greatest (arguably) complete opera?The answer is simple: This one, the Solti/Domingo/Norman. Why? Well, it may not take top rank in all of the categories but it is not far from the top in any. I prefer Konya over all Lohengrins but, guess what? Domingo is just fine and, in many places, glorious. I'll take Karajan's take-no-prisoners dramatic approach any day over Solti, but again, Solti does just fine. Barenboim may find little delights in the music, but Solti and his forces are no slouches in this department either. Much of singing has a chamber appeal and you can hear Solti riding herd on the orchestra so that they might bring nuance to bear in crucial moments.So, all in all, this is the one Lohengrin to have. It is the pillar to post recording that most satisfies. It is strong in every area. In a perfect world, we would get Karajan conducting Konya with Vienna in the pit and with Frick as the King. But since we are not living in a perfect world, the Solti/Domingo will do just fine."
A very good Lohengrin
cdsullivan@massed.net | Cambridge, MA USA | 08/27/2000
(4 out of 5 stars)
"I find that Sir Georg Solti's Wagner interpretations got mellower and more careful as he got older, with a gentler approach. His 1985 Lohengrin is perfectly conducted: he takes his time (as he should) over the opening prelude, he is quite relaxed but never detached, and his command of the score is masterly. The Vienna Philharmonic plays gorgeously, with the unfortunate exception of an ugly, forced brass chord at the climax of the Act I prelude. The singers are good, but not outstanding. Plácido Domingo, of course, has a beautiful voice, but he is not as subtle as he could be and his German, though it has improved since his "Meistersinger" Walther for Jochum, is distinctly odd. The magnificence of his voice, though, makes him surpassed only by Heppner (Davis) and Thomas (Kempe). Jessye Norman also has a magnificent voice, but it is too weighty and mezzo-like for Elsa. Her interpretation, as others have noted, is a bit too worldly; the benchmark here is Grümmer's radiant performance for Kempe. Hans Sotin is an excellent King, though his voice has seen finer days; there are many excellent Heinrichs on disc, but among the best are Frick (Kempe), Sotin (Solti), Rootering (Davis), Pape (Barenboim) and (though I haven't heard him I feel safe to say) Moll (Abbado). Fischer-Dieskau contributes an aging Herald; Terfel is excellent for Davis, as is Wiener for Kempe. The real weak links in this recording are Telramund and Ortrud (these roles are extremely difficult to pull off and only one recording does so - I'll reveal it later). Nimsgern, like others in the cast, has a beautiful, resonant voice, perfect for the role, but his interpretation is not subtle or confused or desperate enough. Randová has a mediocre voice, slightly grainy and slightly wobbly, which she uses well, but can't pull off this almost impossible character. Kempe's benchmark Vienna recording from the early 1960's is the only recording that masters every role and the orchestral music. It has magnificent conducting, singers who all pull off their challenging roles (no one comes within light years of Ludwig and Fischer-Dieskau as Ortrud and Telramund), excellent sound and is at mid-price, newly reissued as a "Great Recording of the Century"; it is my number-one recording for this opera. Solti enthusiasts, though, would do well to have this too."
Domingo is excellent
Wilbourg | 06/03/2003
(5 out of 5 stars)
"I dislike biased reviewers. Statements like "Placido Domingo has a way of spoiling ever Wagner recording he undertakes." automatically switches my attention away, i.e., I just ignore such reviewers because they are prejudiced and have no sense of taste or musicality. I think Domingo is excellent in the Heldentenor role of Lohengrin. True, Domingo is no Jon Vickers or Windgassen. But tenors like Domingo are kind of rare and it is heartening to hear him sing the part. Lohengrin is supposed to be a foreigner, so even if his German is not perfect, I think that is fine. In fact, so what if an opera singer has poor diction? Yes, it is a disadvantage but I think people make too big a fuss out of it. Unlike German, Italian or English or Chinese or Korean or Russian or Spanish, music is a language that transcends all, that's why it's called 'music'. You don't even have to understand the words to appreciate the music in an opera. You don't even have to know what the opera is about to appreciate the music in an opera. Yes, if you understand the opera AND the music, AND the diction is perfect that is a big plus. But who really cares even if the diction is somewhat off as long as one enjoys the music. If diction is so important, I suggest you take up a language class in German, you can then listen to all the perfect German diction in the world.Coming back to this Lohengrin, it is an excellent set that won a Grammy in the mid 80s. The cast is excellent, the conducting is excellent and so is the recording. In any opera as long as Wagner's, or for that matter in ANY music, there is no such thing as a 'perfect' recording. This is an excellent set. I enjoy it very much and I recommend it to people interested in the opera."